064 – Asha Frost: The Medicine of Going Slow

Sarah Tacy [00:00:05]:
Hello. Welcome. I'm Sarah Tacy, and this is Threshold Moments, a podcast where guests and I share stories about the process of updating into truer versions of ourselves. The path is unknown and the pull feels real. Together, we share our grief, laughter, love, and lifesaving tools. Join us. Hello, welcome to Threshold Moments. Today, I have the pleasure of introducing you to, or perhaps you already know of her, Asha Frost.

Sarah Tacy [00:00:47]:
Today in our conversation, we talk about the medicine of going slow. This idea of turtle medicine that could extend beyond our current lifetimes into the generations to come. And add another point, even going back, Asha shares with us her work with ancestors. Our conversation around it was about the boundaries that we can set and the requests we can make and the help we could get from nature. There are talks of reciprocity and also looking at oppression and the way that those who are not Indigenous could take time to really look at our history, look at our lineage as possible oppressors or even in the continued state today and feel into the stories so that we can take some of the weight pieces of the weight so that there can be more understanding, possibly more collaboration. And as Asha has stated in her book, holding a vision for a Better Future that holds more space for rest and support, especially of those who have been oppressed. Without further ado, I hope you enjoy this episode with Asha Frost, with all of her wisdom. And at the end, we go into all the places that you can find her work past, present, and upcoming. Enjoy.

Sarah Tacy [00:02:46]:
Welcome to Threshold Moments. Today, we have with us Asha Frost. Asha is the bestselling author of You Are the Medicine. She is an indigenous healer and Oracle deck creator, mentor, and mama. Her lineage is Anishinaabe. Her spirit name is Healing Rainbow Woman as she acts as a rainbow bridge between both worlds of spirit and earth, modern and traditional, one foot in each world. She holds space for healed vision. Her life work is to help others to connect to the medicine that is within them, moment to moment, to reclaim the medicine from their own lineage, and to come into respectful relationships when using medicines and traditions that are not of their own ancestral heritage.

Sarah Tacy [00:03:39]:
Welcome.

Asha Frost [00:03:41]:
Thank you.

Sarah Tacy [00:03:42]:
Is there anything that you feel like I missed or that you'd wanna add on to your bio?

Asha Frost [00:03:49]:
It's always interesting when people ask me questions like that. I have to close my eyes. I think a really important part of my journey at this point is trusting the depth of my soul and the sensitivity of my spirit and how there's times that I don't feel like I fit into the narrative always that is the most popular. So there's something there that's up for me or right for me in this moment. And, yeah, just honoring those pieces and parts of me too.

Sarah Tacy [00:04:19]:
So I think what I heard you say is it's trusting in the depth of your own soul of who you are and the feeling of sometimes not fully belonging and in my own experience. And I think perhaps what I hear you say, when I say rainbow bridge, it can sound all like light and beautiful that you could walk in 2 worlds. And I imagine, and will say I've had perhaps a felt sense myself that there can be a not I don't wanna say not fully belonging in either place, but there can be something when we take on the medicine or the work of being a person who is working to connect things that aren't always easily connected in the world that we currently live in.

Asha Frost [00:05:14]:
Yes. That makes so much sense that I feel seen by those words.

Sarah Tacy [00:05:19]:
When I first reached out to you on Instagram, I reached out you had posted something about turtle medicine, And I believe it said something about sometimes having these desires for perhaps a vision or being seen in certain ways, or that your work would reach a certain point at a certain... But that turtle medicine helps you to remember about the importance of what I would imagine to be a slower pace. And when I heard that and read that and felt that, there was something in me that also felt visually seen, like, ah, I could really relate to that. And I imagine that there are many people listening who get caught up in this idea that we must rush to survive, that there is a certain pace, that there is certain timing, that there's a way something should look. And I'm wondering if you could speak to us about maybe it could be particular to that post or particular to what the medicine means to you.

Asha Frost [00:06:37]:
It's a constant teacher for me. I wish I could say, oh, I've got this all down. I'm settled in my heart. It's peaceful. But I think, especially in current day, we're inundated with these messages from social media, especially if you have a business or you're putting your creations and medicine in the world, there is this feeling of I need to get to this place right now. And I think some of us are inherently born with this depending on our, you know, astrology, this drive to be at some place or see some place as that we've got there. And I can say that I've been in that place where I'm always just, like, seeing the next thing and having the next vision and having the next dream. And I believe those are beautiful things and positive things.

Asha Frost [00:07:26]:
But along the way, I've noticed myself shaming myself for not getting there as quickly as I observe or perceive others to have gotten there. These what I perceive to be overnight successes and maybe they're not, right, because we all have these projections upon people's paths. My path has just felt slow and steady and rooted in that way where it's like one little seed gets planted and then a little bit of water, a little bit of sun. It goes deeper, deeper, deeper. This goes back to that depth I talked about. I always have seen my path as more in the soil, just going deeper and deeper and wider. And I do think it's made it like a sustainable rooted stable path to walk upon. And at times, it feels like, why are things not happening faster for me? Whatever that means.

Asha Frost [00:08:18]:
You know, for my book or my oracle deck, I had a dream in my heart for 25 years for this. And some people might say, well, that's not a very long time or that is a very long time. I don't know. But for me, it feels like it's been a long coming dream, and I'm so grateful it came true. But it does feel like little turtle steps along the way that brought me here.

Sarah Tacy [00:08:38]:
When I think of the turtle, my mind goes to a life that spans longer than our own. And so the way that like a dog's life is shorter, so we times everything by Sarah, that with turtle, the way time is experienced is, is different and it's elongated and there's just more of it. And so, yeah, I wonder in turtle years, what 25 would be, whereas a human, as we feel the 25, it could be something else. And I also just really hear this again, sustainability. Like if you were to last a 100 years, then you would need to do things in a sustainable way.

Asha Frost [00:09:25]:
That is such a beautiful reflection and what came forward as you're speaking about that also is something I've gotten really clear about with my purpose recently. It's felt really clear that this isn't just for this life lifetime or just my children. It is for those 7 generations to come. So that span of lifetime, perhaps, is a reflection of the lifetime of my words and my work and my medicine in the world could be that ancient long time coming or that vision. So that really helps me a lot as you reflected that back to me.

Sarah Tacy [00:10:00]:
This podcast, I feel like we're gonna touch back in on turtle medicine and it's called Threshold Moments. As I read or I listened to parts of your book, which I highly recommend. Hearing your voice read what's come through you. In your story, you have mentioned, and I think it's kind of woven throughout your story time and again, was your journey with lupus. It sounds like that was perhaps one of your first big thresholds where it shifted your life from way of things can't continue the same way that they were. And I'm wondering if you would be willing to speak at all to your journey with that.

Asha Frost [00:11:04]:
Yeah. I was young. I was 17. I don't know if I had a strong vision of what my life was going to look like at that point, but it didn't include a chronic illness. And it didn't include an illness that they didn't really know a lot about at that time. So I was really scared and really anxious for a long time about the longevity, the length of my life. Because of that diagnosis. And because I was young, I was sort of feeling like I needed to find a way to heal myself, tried pharmaceuticals, they didn't work the way that I had hoped they would.

Asha Frost [00:11:39]:
And then it did put me on the path of that we call alternative health, bringing us back to that land based plant medicine teachings and healing ways of my ancestors. It was an awakening of all of these things that have been in my blood and bones and DNA and knowing that had been oppressed and suppressed and co opted and taken away, all of a sudden opened up to me to say, this is your way. You know this way. You have memories of this way. Come. It was like an invitation. And I haven't really looked back since then in the way, like, I keep having things arise, and I think, what is going to meet me here? What relationship is going to come in my life that is going to help me reflect more on my inner journey, reflect more on healing my life, all of these things. So it's been a continuous journey of self evolution and healing, and my physical body has been the most present teacher in that way and continues to be every single day.

Sarah Tacy [00:12:41]:
Was there anything in particular you had to leave? This is such a loaded question because I really heard your answer. I'm gonna ask it and see if there's any nuance here, but was there anything or way of being that you had to leave behind?

Asha Frost [00:13:00]:
I think probably the biggest thing I had to leave behind was a really abusive relationship, but that didn't happen till a few years later. So I don't think consciously I thought, oh my goodness, my body is sick, and this is making me sick and contributing to my illness. It evolved that way, and part of my spirit got stronger. Something shifted, so I definitely had to leave behind being treated in that way. And I think from an ancestral viewpoint too, because of all of the trauma in my lineage, I had to leave behind assimilation, like this, let's assimilate to be safe. Mhmm. Let us because I know that's what my parents did consciously or unconsciously is we were raised in a very white town where there were not a lot of indigenous people, and all those parts of myself were hidden. So perhaps I had to leave behind that assimilation and had to recover or reclaim all those parts of myself.

Sarah Tacy [00:14:00]:
As you are reclaiming those parts of yourself, do you see it affecting your parents? Like, do you see a remembrance in them as you remember yourself?

Asha Frost [00:14:10]:
Yeah. The interesting thing about my parents is they are highly involved in the indigenous community in in their later years of their working lives, which I find really incredible. So perhaps we did it together. Perhaps we we did that journey together. And I think even now my father, he's speaking and he's doing similar work as me, and I find it a little bit amusing because I think, how is this happening, this this interesting path that is just reflecting each other? So that is really amazing. I think we did it together.

Sarah Tacy [00:14:40]:
When you spoke of Sarah medicine in your book, you spoke of exhaustion. And I thought it was interesting. Today, Octavia Raheem posted a quote that came from John O'Donohue. And it's called Blessings for the one who is exhausted. 

Sarah Tacy [00:15:12]:
And the line that she pulled out was be excessively gentle with yourself. And as you spoke of medicine, that part of the healing was need for rest.

Asha Frost [00:15:47]:
It is a need for rest. And that, again, has been one of my biggest teachers because ingrained inside of me as with so many of us is that cultural that colonial white supremacist, like, capitalistic energy that says, like, you must push through this. You cannot take a break. You cannot live like the earth moving through her seasons and cycles. You are not allowed to do that. You must push through this. And, also, it is a privilege to have space to rest.

Asha Frost [00:16:17]:
Like, I'm very clear about that that that is the way our systems are set up. It's such a privilege to be able to take a nap during the day or even go to bed early, all of these things. So it's this fine dance between how the systems are set up, what are maybe generational trauma is is in inside of us that we need to look at and examine. So I'm always dancing with that. But, yeah, the need for rest. I often say I think I probably would heal myself or cure myself if I had 6 months to la to rest fully. And that's not possible for my life at this point. And I know people would say, well, why don't you make it so? You know? But, again, the systems that are set up don't allow that for me at this point.

Sarah Tacy [00:17:05]:
My teacher will often use the phrase small doable pieces. So I assume that practices that you've brought into your life possibly bring in small doable pieces of changing the patterns. And so I'll also say that as I work more and more with my body and my nervous system and my spirit, that sometimes as I slow down, I can have that feeling of, like, if I go too slow it's a feeling. Right? It's a feeling in my body.

Sarah Tacy [00:18:08]:
I know it's not logical, but then there's a logical part too that will say this could be true. If I go too slow, I'll die. If I go too slow, my work will cease to exist or hold any importance. If I go too slow, so it feels, I don't know if rebellious is the right word, feels risky. And like you said, if if I'm also honoring the systems, then there is that part of and in most situations, income must be made.

Asha Frost [00:18:41]:
Mhmm.

Sarah Tacy [00:18:42]:
And schedules must be kept for kids, and meals must be put on the table. Going back to the idea of small doable pieces of making that transition, I'm wondering if you have any to share with us of small doable ways that you incorporate more rest or care for yourself.

Asha Frost [00:19:04]:
Yeah. I really try to notice the things that drain me. So it sounds maybe like what I'm taking away, but I really try to notice the environments, the situations, the relationships that pull from me. I try to notice where I'm saying yes to things that ultimately, I've done it so many times before I know it this is not gonna be a good setup for my nervous system or my energy. That's practice. Right? That's practice every single day because I get a lot of requests. And now I have such a strong knowing this is going to be soul fueling, this is going to be vitality amplifying, or this is going to suck me, you know, suck some energy out of me. And it's not personal.

Asha Frost [00:19:42]:
Sometimes it's just an energetic relational thing that has nothing to do with the other person. It has to do with me. So those are the practices that are those things that aren't easy Sarah, that I need to walk and practice every day. Of course, being outside is so important for me, getting sunlight in my eyes, really simple things. Again, noticing what makes me feel Sarah, what makes me feel, like, back to myself. A salt bath. So I'll try to take a salt bath every single day. I will try to go to sleep early every single night.

Asha Frost [00:20:14]:
They might seem simple, but they are things that help me with my capacity to keep going, especially on hard days. It's almost like I need to, like, you know, gather up and store away some of that first so that I can do the things that I wanna do. But I'd say the biggest thing is using my sacred no, feeling my boundaries, asserting them, and making sure that I am in situations where there's reciprocity. That's so important.

Sarah Tacy [00:20:45]:
What does your sacred no feel like?

Asha Frost [00:20:48]:
Oh my goodness. It takes my breath away. It feels like something is sucking out my breath, and I feel an oppression in my chest. Like, this is the before. Right? A request comes in, and then I can feel pain or sensation in my lymph nodes, especially the upper one. So it really is heart, chest, I'd say throat, kind of related. It's very sensation based. And sometimes in my gut, but it really starts in my breath.

Asha Frost [00:21:14]:
It's like, this is going to make you very, very tired, or you're going to be in that place where you have nothing left and your tank is empty.

Sarah Tacy [00:21:21]:
Mhmm.

Asha Frost [00:21:22]:
And I've had to learn to get really careful and discerning and listening to every single part of that because, of course, we can push through. We've done it so many times before, and I continue to do that at times. And sometimes it's worth it because I knew that I need to do that thing. But most times, I end up in the hospital or in bed, not able to move, not able to care for my children, all of those things. Sometimes I haven't learned the lesson that still happens.

Sarah Tacy [00:21:52]:
Thank you. Every time I tune in to your book, I'm generally walking with my dog in the woods. And each time I tune in, it feels like just the lesson and the insights or the reflections. There's so much social justice in your book as well, which is seems like some of the most I don't wanna say the most important, but it feels like some of the most important medicine for the reflection and the landing and the unweaving. And as I was listening to Dear Medicine, there is a portion where you were saying you were doing I believe it was kind of like a prayer to your body, and there was I'm sorry and thank you. And there's a song somewhere that says, like, you say potato, I say potato. Tomato, potato, potato.

Sarah Tacy [00:23:02]:
Like, there's a tomato, tomato, potato, potato. So you say Sarah, and I say sorry. And what was interesting about listening to you say Sarah and then also listening to other parts of your book where I could really feel myself reflecting both on my privileges, but also on the history of our country. The way you said sorry really made me think of that word differently. Because it made me, like, really feel the root of the word being in the word, "sore". Mhmm. And although re the re at the end is not r e, it's r y, To me, that has a reflective quality to say, like, I hear you in me. I am now like reflecting something.

Sarah Tacy [00:23:56]:
And with that reflection, like, oh, I that I can feel soreness. And not in a way of taking on something that shouldn't be taken on, but in a way of, like, this is the exact medicine. This is and I am not even sure that this has a question being formed here, except that I can think of so many times in my life when someone says, oh, I'm sorry, or where I'm a feel like the word sorry is a wrong word to say to somebody. Because sometimes in the spiritual world, there could be like, well, if I say I'm sorry for the breakup that you had, they might say, well, this is all part of the lesson. This is part of the journey. But when I hear the word sorry, and I can say like, there's a part of me that can feel the pain of the story you're telling that can connect to that. And I don't know if you have anything to say to this, or if I'm just stating out loud that I have this new relationship to a word that I think is, I could say often overused, but maybe like the word love, it's not that it's not an important word, but that the depth of it, like, I couldn't quite maybe even define it for myself. Like, what does that even mean when I say it to a person? 

Sarah Tacy [00:25:31]:
So one part is just thank you for using your voice. And I know that that was probably not the purpose of it, but it helped me to recognize as I was listening to your book and to various points when I could feel things in my body. And I could hear the phrase, I'm Sarah, and thank you. I'm sorry, and thank you. And start to hear the communal aspect of feeling and connection. Mhmm. Mhmm. And it's just on a different meaning for me. Yeah.

Asha Frost [00:26:02]:
When you said, :not that I'm going to take on something that's not mine to take on, but to acknowledge," I have asked when I've been doing speaking engagements to non-indigenous audiences. Can you take on a small piece of the weight that we carry on our shoulders and our bones and our waters? Like, can you take on a small piece to say, I can hold this and see it. And maybe it's simply, I'm sorry. I see. I see this. And holding that will lift some of that heaviness, even the oppression it lifts. Because if you think about the word oppression, it's like a heaviness of trying to take somebody down, take somebody out, attempt a genocide of a people. Right? It's like trying to weigh you down so that you no longer exist, that you just disappear on the earth. Can you take a bit of that so then we can begin to rise up and be seen and be heard and exist as the original peoples of these lands on Turtle Island.

Asha Frost [00:27:07]:
So I think it's beautiful that you felt that. And I think just acknowledging it in that way, you did take a little piece of that and acknowledged it, and then we can stand here a little bit more in reciprocity.

Sarah Tacy [00:27:24]:
Yeah. Thank you for saying that. I think sometimes the downside play with that when you say that, I'm like, oh my god. Then, yes, then I want to then I want to feel it, and I want to take pieces. And then there's a part of me that doesn't wanna dishonor your lived experience, if that makes sense. So the both and of, yeah, of being able to feel into everything you shared and feel the soreness. And absolutely to say like and yes, I will carry that soreness and that honor. I love what you were saying about the oppression and the weight.

Sarah Tacy [00:28:09]:
Not because it's anything that I would want for anyone, but it reminds me again of that idea of exhaustion and how hard it is to do our work in the world when we are exhausted. They're here to be. I mean, when you talked about holding a vision of healing, I just wonder if there would be ever be a time where there would be room for people to rest too. You know, when you said if I had 6 months, like that was possible. And I think about so many women after they give birth and what that does for children when there just isn't time for recovery, rest, and connection. Yeah.

Asha Frost [00:28:58]:
My goodness. Yeah. I dream of that vision too. That would be beautiful. I also wanted to go back a little bit to the taking the piece because honoring that many of the folks who come into my sphere, my communities, I hear you when you say, I don't wanna take, you know, not acknowledge your lived experience. And the narrative has been like, this

Sarah Tacy [00:29:18]:
is the way

Asha Frost [00:29:19]:
you do it. This is not the way you do it. And I know that there's sometimes fear or hesitation to doing that. But the folks that come into my communities typically are I see them as visionaries themselves, alchemists. They could take a piece, then they could create medicine from that. So I trust that if folks are taking a piece, then they're sitting with the weight of what oppression feels like. They're understanding it. They're relating to it.

Asha Frost [00:29:42]:
Mhmm. And to me, that's how we understand one another. That's how we can heal together. If you can experience a bit of my or understand a bit of my experience, then we can heal together. Otherwise, we're just missing each other. And that's what I see so much happening on social media. We're just missing each other, and then we're judging each other, and we're making each other wrong. But if we could take a little piece of that experience and feel it even somatically in our body, then we can say, oh, oh my goodness.

Asha Frost [00:30:11]:
I see you. You're carrying a 1,000,000 pieces of that. That must be really challenging. Okay. Now how can we alchemize this together and create a new vision together? That is my hope. That is the rainbow of bringing us together for that new vision.

Sarah Tacy [00:30:25]:
And so, again, I'm thinking about this and now in a slightly different context, which the last chapter that I tuned into, which felt really appropriate as my grandfather just passed, and there was a lot more to this chapter than the last 20 minutes that I'm about to speak about with ancestors and work on ancestors and with ancestors. And there was a point where you said like, yes, it is my job to help heal for my ancestors. And then at some point recognizing that it didn't all have to happen through your body. Can you speak about that process of differentiating healing for your ancestors through your body verse, which to me, when you said this other option, I was like, Oh my God, there's the quantum leap. There's a really incredible way of healing, which was to first, if I heard you right, first heal through your body.

Asha Frost [00:31:30]:
Yeah. I think it just came after a bunch of healing sessions with different people of how much I've carried and how how heavy that's felt and almost feeling sadness for all of that of perhaps I made a choice as a soul to do that. So I think there is some people who do that. They come here and they choose to heal a lot of their ancestral the harm and the damage and all of the stuff through their physical body. But I also think at some point, we can set a boundary. It was like this my eyes open and think, oh my goodness. I can set boundaries though with my ancestors and think this isn't all mine to move through my physical body. My one physical body cannot possibly transmute all of this.

Asha Frost [00:32:15]:
So it was another awakening, probably another point of where I just got it. And I thought, if I wanna be here for a long time and live on all my visions, then I cannot process all this through my physical body. So what kind of space can I make? Can all of creation take some of this? Because we have these beautiful relationships with our kin, our plant kin, our soil kin, our crystals and rocks and water can, our star can to say, okay, you know, you are with me, we are all together here. We're holding a lot. You can transmute this much easier than my one physical body can. So can I offer this to you? And anybody asking that question, I'm pretty positive the earth will say yes because as long as we have a respectful, reverent relationship with them and we honor them in that way.

Sarah Tacy [00:33:08]:
When you speak about a respectful, reverent relationship with the Sarah, and also this process of possibly asking the earth to help transmute or alchemize things that are coming through. What are some practices that you use, or maybe you use with your family to continue this relationship with the Sarah and or to show the reciprocity?

Asha Frost [00:33:38]:
Mhmm. We do offerings every day. We use traditional tobacco. That's our offering. That's ancestral what we use. So we do those gratitude offerings. But we do things like, just at night, we are gratitudes before night where we're just really amplifying the gratitude for all that we have. And being mindful, like and this I speak to a lot of younger children in classrooms, and it's so amazing because they have all these ideas of how to care for the Earth.

Asha Frost [00:34:05]:
You know, we talk about water and the sacredness of water and how in many First Nations across Turtle Island, we don't have clean water. Some indigenous people don't have clean water running out of their taps and how their mothers have to run a bath that has brown water coming out, and their faces look so shocked and alarmed. And then, of course, it starts to make more sense. Oh my goodness. When I'm brushing my teeth, I'm gonna be conscious of how much water I'm gonna use in in my shower and offering gratitude to the water every time that clean water comes out, so they get it. And I don't know where we lose that, but those are the practices being it's a consciousness, and it's a consciousness of our consumption. It's a consciousness of how much we're taking and giving back. I think also, not just with the land because, you know, we are one with land, so how can we do that with people? How can we be conscious of reciprocal relationships with one another? And I think that's perhaps where extraction comes in because we as a people I wouldn't say indigenous people, but people have come in and extracted so much from land, from indigenous people, in so many ways.

Asha Frost [00:35:11]:
And that's just the way that entitlement we need to be so conscious of entitlement. What do I feel entitled to? Just because that what if I marinated it and then all of a sudden I think I'm entitled to all of this. So I think those relational pieces with people translates to our relationship with the Sarah and land.

Sarah Tacy [00:35:31]:
As you've begun to shift your relationship with your ancestors. I was even thinking when I said the quantum leap. I imagine again, so my, my teacher Bridget Vixens will say small doable pieces over time, which often lead to quantum leaps. And I imagine the processing 1 by 1 of various traumas that you're working through, patterns that you may be trying to break and that when you chose to have some boundaries and to ask for a broader base of support with the earth and with other elements of nature to help you process. I imagine that, like, as I heard you say it, there was this whole like movement throughout my body, like, woah, what a quantum leap to step into a new phase that perhaps is the healing, perhaps is part of the return to what was taken away. Almost like that was like to me, it sounded like the ultimate, big step.

Asha Frost [00:36:45]:
Yeah. I can feel that in my body somatically too. I think I pray of a vision for wellness, ease, rest, peace, all of those things. When I think about what I want to feel every day, those are the things I want to feel. Those are the things that I could, I don't know, get 5 more book deals and be a best selling author. And if I didn't have peace and ease and rest in my system, it wouldn't matter to me. That's just my way of seeing things that wouldn't matter because those are the the biggest blessings for for joy in my life. And I dream that for all indigenous people and all folks across the world for those things, but our people need those things more than ever.

Sarah Tacy [00:37:31]:
Is there any other point that you'd love to share or talk on before we close out when we come to the top of the hour here?

Asha Frost [00:37:42]:
Well, yeah, I guess I'll bring in, like the the new medicine I'm work I'm working on and putting out there. I have I have an oracle deck that's been out for a year, and my new oracle deck is an animal spirit deck that will be out in December. So the artwork's just being finalized, so it's in my sphere of consciousness right now, what I'm thinking about, and it's it's so beautiful. So for so many years, folks have been asking for an animal spirit deck from me, and that is coming soon. So I do hope you look out for it.

Sarah Tacy [00:38:10]:
Do you know what the date is for that?

Asha Frost [00:38:13]:
It'll be December 4th, I think.

Sarah Tacy [00:38:15]:
You do. That is very specific. December 4th. Okay. I was trying to think of when this would land, but it's gonna land before December. But one way that maybe they could become aware of it when it does, if they follow you on Instagram

Asha Frost [00:38:31]:
I assume yeah. Yeah. Because the presale date would probably be closed soon. As soon as the artwork is finished

Sarah Tacy [00:38:37]:
Mhmm.

Asha Frost [00:38:38]:
PayHass will put it up. So, yeah, I would love for folks to be to connect with that. You know, there's so many animal spirit decks, and for the longest time, I I used them. And then I thought, any sweet indigenous voice sharing these teachings? So it's called the animal elders oracle because the animals in the deck are the elders, so there's elder wisdom there too. Would you mind

Sarah Tacy [00:39:02]:
explaining that to me a little bit more? Is it that there are certain animals that are associated with elders, or are you saying that all animals are associated with elders?

Asha Frost [00:39:12]:
Yeah. So the framework for this deck is the fact that we've been colonized away or there's been so much trauma. So many indigenous people have not had their connection to their elders anymore. And then on a bigger scale, we don't honor our elders in reverence anymore. We do in indigenous culture, but, you know, the rest of the world doesn't seem to do that. So it's our disconnection to eldership that I'm trying to reclaim through this. And because we don't have people anymore necessarily in our communities because we don't live in that way, then we can look to the animal kingdom for that eldership. So I've had to do that because of the way that residential school trauma has broken my lineage apart.

Asha Frost [00:39:54]:
So I've had to look to the spirit world, the animal spirit world, as my teachers, as my elders. So it's presencing that as a possibility for everybody.

Sarah Tacy [00:40:04]:
Thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you. And for the listeners, I know we just said it. We spoke of following Asha on Instagram. Hay House will also be letting us know when her work is coming out. And yeah. I would also recommend her book. I know I've mentioned it.

Sarah Tacy [00:40:22]:
I know it's not, like, new off the press, but it's actually my experience of it is that there's nothing in there that isn't present day still really important and insightful. And just I know even for myself, Mike, there's so much more for me to learn about myself. I recently did go on an ancestral journey to learn more about my ancestors. And reading your book was just like, Oh, and there's much more to learn. And so I don't know. I just I think it could be a really good read for anyone listening, and it could even be done. You could read it straight through or it could even be done, I would imagine, like, aligned with the moons as well.

Asha Frost [00:41:05]:
That's how the majority of folks read it. I was so shocked.

Sarah Tacy [00:41:08]:
They didn't

Asha Frost [00:41:09]:
note it. I did not think that's how people would read it. I thought they would read it front to back, but people waited. They'd read us chapter, then they'd wait for the next moon. They read the next chapter.

Sarah Tacy [00:41:18]:
Oh, that's so beautiful.

Asha Frost [00:41:20]:
Yeah. Every year. And then people go back every year. It's been out now for 2 years. And so people have done by 2 almost 2 cycles.

Sarah Tacy
Is it true that people could also work with you as a mentor or 1 on 1?

Asha Frost [00:42:35]:
Yeah. They can I have private mentorships? I'm going to have a group mentorship probably opening up in the fall. So that is for healers, creative visionaries, sensitive beings, or beings who want to dive deeper into some indigenous teachings and energy healing and all the things that basically I talk about in the book. So that's happening too. I will have one more opening. I have, like, people journeying with me through all the moon cycles. So we have full moon ceremonies every month too. So if people are interested in that, contact me.

Sarah Tacy [00:43:06]:
Thank you. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. I really appreciate your presence.

Asha Frost [00:43:10]:
I'm so grateful. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you.

Sarah Tacy [00:43:25]:
Thank you for tuning in. It's been such a pleasure. If you're looking for added support, I'm offering a program that's totally free called 21 days of untapped support.

Sarah Tacy [00:43:37]:
It's pretty awesome. It's very easy. It's very helpful. You can find it at Sarah Tacy.

Sarah Tacy [00:43:45]:
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