017 – Elena Brower: Weaving in Self-Care

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[0:50] Hello, welcome.
I’m Sarah Tasey, and this is Threshold Moments, a podcast where guests and I share stories, about the process of updating into truer versions of ourselves.
The path is unknown, and the pull feels real. Together we share our grief, laughter, love.

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[1:21] Before we get into today’s episode, there’s something I wanna highlight that I’m not sure I highlighted enough in this episode.
Here, I’m plugging Elena’s book, and I wanna do this upfront, and there’s no, I’m not getting anything back from it, financially.
I’m doing this because I found it so powerful to read, and I’m so grateful for it.
One could look at Elena Brower’s life and say, oh, that must be nice.
During our conversation, she explains what her morning looked like before our conversation.
And it had to do with having a positive interaction with her son, taking time to quiet her mind, to move her body, to journal, to write poetry.
And I could imagine that some people might listen and say, oh, that must be nice.

[2:12] And here’s what I would offer up about this book of poetry softening times, is that it changes our lens from this person has something that’s unique to them that nobody else gets to have. We’re all putting out fires. This person’s living in a different reality that’s not possible for others. It changes a lens from that, which is that must be nice, to asking the question, tell me about your life.
Tell me about your life.
And in her book of poetry, you get to hear about the depths of pain and joy and connection and disconnection.
You get to hear about the tidal nature of being human, about where she came from as a child, about her loss, about her gain.

[3:03] There is a part in there for everyone to connect to and to help people see just how possible it is through practice, through excavation, through coming back to yourself, for any of us to begin to weave small pieces of self-care into our lives until perhaps by the time we we get into our 50s, or maybe you’re listening to this in your 50s and you’re beginning your journey now, that as time goes on, that more and more of our life is a weaving of self-care, self-love, self-acceptance.

[3:44] So one, I’m so grateful for her to come on. I really think you’re gonna enjoy listening to her.
And I would just say, as a supplement or as an addition to this podcast, Grabbing a copy of this book is so rich, to the question that I might wanna ask anyone who is living a life that has elements in it that I want to live, which is tell me about your life.
Thank you so much.

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[4:21] Today we have with us Alaina Brower. Alaina Brower has had a huge impact on my life, and as I just shared with her, her bio is so long and multi-dimensional and rich that, I wanted to break it into pieces and take time to dive into elements of it.
It. So the bio will be woven throughout the interview, the conversation, and will leave lots of room and space for whatever organically wants to come through. So I’ll start at, the top by saying that I first encountered Elena as the teacher. She has been guiding yoga and meditation since 1999.
She can be found on globe.com and many of the most popular stages across the world. What impacted me? So I’m going to share what impacted me before the question. Some of the impacts were, at a time, I’m going to think, say, like 2008 to 2015, where a teacher’s sequencing and words were.

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[5:41] Often linked with, possibly, this would be my perception, my projection, their worth and their ranking. Alaina would, to me, my perception, keep a center line while weaving in the lineage of what inspired her that day. It felt so generous to say, and from this student, I learned this thing, and from this teacher, and from this moment in my life.
And it was really affirming to me that there could be.

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[6:28] And also an entertainment factor. And sometimes I felt in myself, oh no, I’m not entertaining enough.
And so it was affirmative to me to see a teacher that was wise.

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[6:52] One thing I’ll add to that is that when Elena came to Maine to teach at Leverage events, I saw something I had never seen before.

[7:05] What I was used to seeing, and this is not a judgment one or the other, except it was intriguing to me, was that a presenter might not want to eat on the day of because there would be some adrenaline and excitement about presenting.
And what I saw, Again, my perception was that there was self-care woven all the way through, and that again, your presence and self-care all the way through was what held the alchemy for the room that day, and that when it was over, you didn’t need to collapse.
And this was just so huge for me for what could be possible when self-care is woven in.
And I think that’s where I would like to start, which is asking you if there was a time in your life where being in front of people was more about presenting and what shifted into presence, or if that’s just something you’ve always had.
And welcome. First of all, thank you for having me so much. It’s so nice to see you, to see your face.
To be here. I really appreciate the thoughtfulness of that question. I…

[8:23] I want to back up a little bit and just honor the way in which you talked about at each stage of the journey for you, for me, for anyone who’s listening or watching. There’s an influence, upon us, some person who’s inspiring us or people who are inspiring us, maybe it’s a whole community, maybe it’s a body of work, body of teachings, and at every phase of the journey, I’ve had different influences coming through. Each phase was relevant in certain cases.
It was really sad that it didn’t work out. I came to realize that this teacher or that teacher were.

[9:08] Just not for me after a certain period of time. But I want to leave our listener with with this possibility that even when you feel like you’ve given your time to someone and it hasn’t panned out, even when you feel like you’ve focused somewhere and it just didn’t meet your hopes or expectations, the real question to ask is how quickly can you move on from this without hanging on to disappointment or fear or dread or any of those kind of waste tasteful, lingering emotions.
How quickly can you move on from that? And it’s nice to hear you talk about those pastimes, because I remember sitting in those workshops in Maine and opening the notebooks, and who was there?
It was not who’s here now, you know?
And yet it was just as relevant for all of us.
So thanks for bringing that to my attention.

[10:12] So the question, I think there’s an overarching element of what sort of needs to come through in any given moment.
And if I’m not listening to my own energy levels and paying attention to what I have the capacity for and the bandwidth for, I will burn out.
I will get exhausted. What I’ve learned over these 20-30 years, how to take care of myself.
I don’t need to be digesting in the morning until, you know, 11 or 12 o’clock.
I really don’t need to be staying up late on a device. I really do need a bath at night.
It really is good for me to warm up my body before I go to bed.
You know, there are little things that I do that help me maintain a really stable, steady level of energy all the time.
Just this morning, I was saying goodbye to Jonah, he’s now 17, he’s driving off to school, yeah.
And it’s crazy.

[11:21] James and I made a point of going out to the driveway to wave goodbye. We had, Jonah and I took a trip recently to Japan, we just came back a few days ago, and at one of the places where we stayed, all the staff would come out and you would leave, and this is something, it’s a Japanese tradition in certain areas, they would all come out and they would wave these little purple hankies grace and goodbye, you know, and they wouldn’t stop waving it until we were gone.
So we got to the car, driving away, they were still waving, they were still waving, John and I were looking back, they were still waving.
So James and I did that. And as he drove away, I realized, you know, today, I feel like I did it all.
I made him a glorious breakfast before school, I did my workout an hour and a half earlier Before that breakfast was made, I took care of my meditation.
I let my brain sit in my hands.
I really was quiet for a while today in the sitting, you know, and I tended to my kids and took care of myself.
And I just felt like, oh, that’s it. That’s everything right there.
If I can have this feeling, you know, for a glimpse of a second, it’s pretty much a job well done.
My energy is maintained and everybody’s cared for.

[12:48] Beautiful. And that’s, I think that’s really what I observed was the weaving of self-care.
That it’s not like, it would never appear to me as go hard and destroy and recover, which is one way, but that there’s just this weaving of self-care.
So I think, this is what I think I remember. I think I remember as you were guiding a meditation, seeing you walk over and grab an orange and peel the orange and take little nibbles as you went.
And I could be making this up, but in my mind, there was one point where maybe James was giving you a foot massage while you were guiding something.
And it was just this like layering of steadiness steadiness and care throughout, and it really stuck with me as a possibility.

[13:46] Yeah, that could definitely happen, James, tends to do that, and I tend to say yes.
It’s funny, I was just reading a quote from somebody who doesn’t, it’s not really our energetic match, but it was a really good point.
Women have with them either a really supportive partner or no partner.
I don’t know why, I’m just going to bring that up right here for one listener who needed to hear that.
Supportive partner or no partner at all.

[14:20] Thank you. I know you have a really supportive one, so. I do. And Elena, I almost like right now, like this maybe isn’t for the podcast, but right now, he’s just on such an epic part of his journey that he walked in last night from holding a men’s circle and I saw in him, I saw in him this light that I haven’t seen for a while, where it was like, just in such alignment with his purpose, and it’s been really beautiful.

[14:51] Thank you. Yeah, there are also men’s circles being held here, and I don’t think that’s, ever been more important than it is right now, to have the men meeting each other intelligently, intentionally, intuitively, and taking care of each other. When James emerges from those Monday nights, I also see that same kind of brightness and enthusiasm for life. And they also need a level of caretaking of each other that gives them purpose that I don’t, I think that’s been ignored for probably several generations societally. And I’m really glad that that’s turning, that tide is turning.
CBT Me too. DRH From what I know, and maybe I won’t get too deep in this, it seems like there’s often in a level of we can engage on the level of activity, of adventures, but to actually sit and go deep and be seen and see another is just such a good medicine.
It’s true.

[16:00] So you mentioned Jonah and this next part of your bio, which is really in your professional bio is the first line always is mother, but I’m gonna talk about student and mother.
So Elena, you are a lifetime lifelong student currently in Buddhist chaplaincy training, that commences in 2024.
And this mixture of studentship, leadership, and being an ever evolving, perceptive, deeply loving mother has led to the creation of what seems to be a beautiful relationship with your son and a course, Perceptive Parenting, which I have taken.
Thank you so much for offering it.
Wonderful.
And what I’d like to say is I would love take it again with Steve. And I found it to be grounding. I found it to have really useful tools.
I loved the way that you wove in your stories of challenge and of success or triumph or, maybe just a knowing like, ooh, that was a healthy pattern. And I would love more of that.

[17:19] You were so, I feel like you always honor time so beautifully, so the honoring of time with a 12 to 15 minute digestible pieces.
I’ll say this one part, you offered a practice in which at night I might ask my daughters, was there anything I could do better?
Now I’ve forgotten to do this a number of times the first time I did it.
I mean, I get feedback from them all the time, so I have pretty good practice at like, okay, in this moment they’re, they’re raging and if they say something that could be hurtful, like I just understand they’re raging and I can be there with them and I can stay steady.
I was surprised at some like nervousness that I felt when I was like, Oh, I might get feedback that might really mean something, that I really can listen to, and I will continue this practice.
That night, they were like, no, mama, everything’s great.
But I can really see how that practice, for me getting that feedback, could be beautiful, for them to see.

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[18:42] It, and that I’m not less worthy, I’m not a bad person because the feedback wasn’t all positive.
But, and, I’m saying it was interesting to see that I did have this little tickle in my tummy of like, ooh, feedback?
What are they going to tell me? You know what I’m saying?
I think it’s a funny two-sided coin here, because they’re not just seeing you receive feedback gracefully.
They’re also seeing their own voices being heard. And I’m in a partnership with somebody who really did not have that as a child, and he’s.

[19:24] 56 now, and to be witnessing the healing of that is profound, obviously.
But to be able to correct that in my own parenting with my kid has been a great privilege to make sure that I am raising somebody who knows that he has a voice, who’s not afraid to use it, who doesn’t use it inappropriately, who is willing to listen and is not interrupting all the time because he wasn’t heard as a kid.
Really cool. of it, you know, it’s both of those things, seeing you receive well, learning how to receive feedback well, without fear, and then also realizing that they have a voice that is respected, And so they start to pass that respect on to other people.
It’s very beautiful.

[20:23] Everything that I learn about parenting or from parenting, I also see how, wow, this is a practice for my partner and I, for my husband and I.
It’s something that’s a little bit easier for me in friendships.
So every time that I get to do something, quote unquote, for my kid, it is also so much about healing for myself.
Jennifer And generations, I mean, generations. I wrote a poem last week in while we were away.
I put it on my sub stick, actually, I’m gonna find out for you.
And it was about that. Exactly that.
I called it Unexpected Beauty, and it goes like this, the beauty, simplicity and reverence of Japan are shifting the ground beneath my feet. Writing that’s emerged thus far speaks to this time out of time with my son.
Words below spilled out onto the hotel scratch pad unexpectedly midweek. Then it points to the photograph that was taken on the grounds of A.H.U., which is a temple that was built in the 1200s, the source temple for the lineage in Soto Zen that I practice, and the poem is called Saved Up. It’s very fast. So, saved up. Saved up for this moment across a table on the other side of the world to not look at you, to fully hear you instead.

[21:51] I wonder if you know how many generations we’re healing.

[21:55] Saved up for this moment in Kyoto Station when you take charge of the directions and I ascent, peculiar blend of bliss and emptiness. Thank you for your nurturing, magnanimous, joyful mind.
Saved up for this moment in the trees, averting my eyes so that you don’t feel any sort of need.
Need, the need I couldn’t tolerate when it was my mother and me.
Also, for your gentle persuasiveness about the sorbet, you get the mango, I’ll get raspberry.

[22:34] Things that tear.
Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, it’s such an important thing to realize that when you make a move as a parent that might not be uncomfortable, it might not be comfortable, it might be sort of really different than what the way in which you were treated, and it might feel like, oh, I’m not being disciplinary enough or something like that, comparing your experience. You know, the thing that we have to remember as parents is, what really matters is respect, mutual respect. This is an autonomous being in front of you. It doesn’t matter if they’re two years old or 22. If you can generate some mutual respect on this earth, you have done a very good job.
In your course, there were a number of times where you mentioned your son at the age of five, and it wasn’t because of his age necessarily, but it sounds like this was a turning point for you, in which you began more mindful practices.
Yeah.
And I’m wondering if you could speak to us a little bit about that.

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[23:57] Repressing and re-patterning.
Yep. That’s, that was kind of everything. Five was when I realized that I had to do this.
I didn’t get it until many years later, I don’t think, but the angry outbursts certainly became less frequent and less intense. I was raised in a house where anger was the way one communicated, needed sincerity or severity, importance.
So I kept that up unconsciously for a long time. And when he was about five and he really had a voice, he said something to me one day, something like, you know, you don’t have to do this, something so sage, you know, and he had already had a couple of years of this, you know, what could I be doing better? So, he had a voice and he knew how to use it. And I was just struggling. It was like, it was as though I was addicted to anger. I could not stop, even though I knew it was bad for me, even though I knew it was causing deleterious effects in my home and more broadly. And when, When he said that, that was the beginning of my journey toward abstention, freedom, sobriety from anger.

[25:27] And, you know, it’s funny, when I said it was very recently that we made those plans to go so far away together, just the two of us meeting up with a friend for a few days, but it was really just the two of us.
I could see when I asked him that he was nervous, like, even though there hasn’t been any sort of ruffle in our matrix for a number of years now, I could see that he was nervous, that it would get weird.
And I said to him, you know, here’s the deal, we’re going away, this is going to be one of the most peaceful, steady, beautiful trips we’ve ever taken.
I’m going to come back and help you with your homework to make up for the time that you’re losing.
I think it’s going to be a wonderful experience and I think you should come.
And he was, he sort of cocked his head a little to the side and he considered it for a while and off we went.
I did help him with a paper last night and that was really fun.
But during the trip, there was not one moment of hardship. At the very, very end, when we were coming home, Tokyo, Denver, Denver, Santa Fe, in, Denver, he got cross.
He did not want to leave Japan. He loved it so much, and he got really super cross.
And I let him disappear for a little while. I said, you know what? Go grab some food.
I’m going to be over here. I know I shouldn’t be talked to like this.

[26:53] I can only imagine what you’re going through, not wanting to go home, wanting to stay in that beautiful, clean, safe, organized country.

[27:05] I’ll be at the gate, you can meet me there.” And when I got to the gate, he was already sitting there, and I sort of meandered, and I walked over and he had his headphones in and I said, hey, I think it would be helpful if you could just acknowledge what happened.” And he said, I’m really sorry for treating you that way.
I shouldn’t treat you that way. Really sorry for that.
I’ll do it better next time. That was it. That was the whole scandal, like the whole trip, 10 days.
That was all we endured.
I credit meditation practice, I credit the teachings of Soto Zen, I credit particularly the teachings of Roshi Joan Halifax and all the teachers that she has orbiting around her for the steadiness that I feel.

[27:59] And it also sounds like years of practice with do-overs and feedback. For sure.
Yeah. I’m seeing in the field some things like there’s some book or some author that says ban the do-over or something like that. I’m just like, I don’t know. We did many do-overs and they were wonderful.
Like when you study the work of Alan Shore, A-L-L-A-N-S-E-H-O-R-E, and you see the importance and the peer-reviewed studies that he did on what it means to re-pattern shame after a shame stress incident, whether you’ve inflicted it or you’ve experienced it, to re-pattern it, it’s priceless. Like, it changes the brain, it changes the neurology. So, I like a do-over.
I’m going to keep those around. James and I do them sometimes when we act like jerks to each other you know it’s like rushing around or something and be like let’s just do that over shall we yeah you know and we do and it’s much better. I was just in conversation with Amna that I’ll tie two days ago.
She’s great. She’s great.

[29:10] In prep for talking to her, I just put her name into, you know, into the search and your podcast came up and I was like, what? So it was so fun to listen to the two of you right before I was about to talk to both of you, but I’m unsure how it came up. But in the conversation, I was talking about in my early twenties, I used to train athletes and we did nervous system upregulation and part of the training was that they had immediate feedback either from a camera or the mirror in front of them and that with if you can get feedback within 15 seconds of the original pattern if not right away and begin and make a change you generally get to keep that change whereas if somebody tells you something 10 minutes later 15 minutes later it’s really hard when you get when you’re in activation again to actually make that happen.
So while you’re in activation and you repattern, the physiology can then keep it.
And I think that’s so much like a do-over.
Yes, I feel that to be true. It’s physical and it’s neurological and I definitely feel that to be true.

[30:32] This next part of the bio, I know this is maybe making it chunky.
So I’ll learn about this, about this breaking up of the bio, but I like it.
That’s actually really fun. Yeah.
My ego certainly likes it.
I feel like letting her go. I do feel like it’s actually helpful way to interview somebody as from a podcaster’s perspective. I really am appreciating the format here.
So thank you.
We’re trying it on. Dude. This part is about you as an artist.

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[31:09] Alayna, you are an artist. Hmm.
Which can be seen in every Instagram post that you make with such care.
The visual artistry within your books, such as Art of Attention, Your bestseller practice you which I have bought many copies of of the follow up of that being you.
You. And I heard that there’s another coming out in 2024.

[31:40] Your spoken word poetry which can be heard on Above and Beyond’s FlowState album which just went gold. And your sequencing in yoga and guided meditation that are multi-dimensional artistic weaving of soul, body, and space. Lastly, and maybe not lastly, but I’m naming at the end, And your art comes through with such mastery in your latest book of poetry, Softening Times.
And I would really love to highlight this in this interview as it will be posted on the same day that people will be able to go and buy your book.
And maybe I’ll say here that if they buy two books, a little promo here that if they buy by two books, Elena will offer a free, what I believe is a four week course.
Correct. With some of her nearest and dearest wise friends.
This is a side note, which is just to name that every experience I’ve had with you is filled with generosity, and I think this is a really beautiful example of that.

[32:54] Thank you. So as the book, I devoured, I lovingly devoured. It was when I can find something that I can drop into, and not count how many pages I have left in a way of like, okay, I’m almost at the end, but more of like, oh, oh geez, like there’s an ending and I’m close and I’m just so loving and I felt a pull each time.
So it was three different sittings, which is really great because I can be so fully present in each of those.
In each of those. this pull of excitement to go back.

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[33:52] And your front friend Young Pueblo wrote, Elena creates space for us to appreciate the small moments and life-changing ones.

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[34:09] I was so moved. And when people listen to you on your podcast and when they hear your voice here or your steadiness.

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[34:27] I feel like the gift of this book was to see the practice, was to see the title nature and humanity of you and the vulnerability with which you offered the wholeness of yourself.
CBT Thank you. Thank you so much.

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[34:52] CBT Yeah. The place I’m wondering if you would be willing to go is the first half of your.

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[35:20] If you’d speak to us about your journey with your mother. Yeah, happy to.
It’s still happening.
She passed away in 2016, January 23rd of 2016, and she is 69.
And I talk to her every day, if I’m honest.
She still is around, guiding, laughing, ridiculing, loving me, encouraging me.

[35:58] I think probably the most important thing that I can share is that she loved me so much and I was, often annoyed by this attention and care that she gave me. And so my sort of evolution of all of that has been to figure out a way to really let the kid, my kid, know that I’m here but not hovering.
I’m available, but I’m not in need, like that poem that I read to you previously from Japan.
And it’s going well, and she’s very proud of me. I can feel her and hear, almost hear her voice at times when I catch myself doing something that feels good to me, you know?
And I can hear her saying, yeah, good, you know, good girl, I saw that, I got that, you know.
And it’s like, I’m receiving now, fully, what she was offering me back then.
It’s the only way I could think about it.

[37:09] In summary, if you’re listening, and you are having an issue with your mom, and barring any mental illness or something that is keeping you from really connecting, like addiction or something like that, it’s just another person.
Could be my mom, could be anybody else’s mom, Sarah’s mom. So can you look at this person like a stranger?
I did it with Jonah often too, there’s a great book by Wendy Mogel called Voice Lessons for parents just like this, like, oh, that kid over there, he’s like an exchange student.
I don’t know who that is. I’m just going to be nice and courteous because he’s here staying in my house. Somebody else’s kid. I would often reframe things like that, and it would help me to be less annoying and less annoying.
Overbearing. So yeah, that’s what I would say. I would say, you know, think about how you can connect with that person, as though that person wasn’t your mom anymore, and all the things that had happened that haven’t happened, you know, barely know this person. She’s just another autonomous person. You know, how do you treat her? I love that. Yeah.

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[38:30] I’m thinking about the beauty of the way that a relationship can continue after life and gosh.

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[38:42] There was one thing that I wanted to highlight from what you just said and it’s evading me, So I’m gonna let it go and ask you about, well, actually, I kind of wanna start with this little story that Sophia was in bed the other night and it looked like she was using her hands and weaving something in the sky above her with her hands.
And I said, oh, I remember when my papa was just about to pass away, and he was finishing all of his projects in his lifetime that were unfinished and we called them hallucinations.
But one night he was finishing weaving or sewing this model ship that he had started to build.
And he was moving his hands just like that. And she said, were you with him when he died?
And I said, I was, I was right by his side.
She said, was it scary?
And I said, it was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever been witness to.
And she said, like, what did it look like? I said, well, he was laying there and then he exhaled.

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[40:15] And I don’t, I’m sure I wrote it somewhere in here of your words, but you have a part of your poetry that speaks to those moments with your mother’s passing.
And I think you said like the most beautiful moment beyond childbirth, and I’m wondering if you might want to share a bit about your experience with that moment.
I think I can find it.
Uh, page 46, the most sacred commencement. Good girl.

[40:52] Yeah.
I’ll read the last paragraph. Is that cool? Yeah, please. The piece starts on page 45. It’s called Almost.

[41:04] It’s a story about this moment where she had been, uh, she got a stem cell transplant, just like her second or third round of cancer.
She was doing actually quite well and she’d gotten the stem cell transplant. It was successful.
She was at ground zero, really like not really talking, barely able to move.
I was brought her to the bathroom in the hospital room.
There was nobody else there.
And I was holding her up like this.
And I was putting her onto the seat, this very tall seat that they have in hospital rooms.
I’m sure if you’re listening, you’ve seen one.
And all of a sudden, she just, like, crashes. It’s as though every, just the lights go out, she’s gone sideways, and it’s just me.
And I see over my left shoulder, there’s a phone. I get the phone.
Like, this whole thing happens in a matter of three minutes.
She’s somehow holding herself up with one hand of mine. She makes it.
Five years later was when she died. Five years later was when she actually died.
And this is that moment.
The moment, that moment in the hospital, those years before, makes her real last day.
One of the holiest days in my life, holier than childbirth, full of prayer and meaning, connection and clearing.
Death no longer to be feared here in my heart. It’s the most sacred commencement.

[42:33] That’s really how I feel about it now.

[42:38] And I don’t think we have a choice. So we’re going.
So I’m feeling like, okay, let’s make sure that we at least consider, if you’re listening, this way of looking at death.
You know, but there is, as Sarah said, a release of all the tension in the room.
You have a choice whether you’re going to be the person who freaks out and brings all the attention to yourself and cries and just, you know, goes there, or if you’re the person who holds the space for the person who is deceased transitioning to go in peace.
And I decided I wanted to do that for her.

[43:37] And for anyone listening, I feel like for me that duality, that it could be so important, I can lean into a time where I was in deep grief and I had this little bit of shame of, okay, I’ve felt the grief and I’ve done the things and why am I still feeling it?
And in one part you’d say, it’s been seven years, I’m not healed.
I’m still not healed. Yeah. And so just permission for like that bold and that it’s beautiful, it’s a sacred commencement.
And for those on the other side, there’s the process of how do we get to talk to them on a day-to-day basis perhaps or experience them and that the missing or the pain can still be there. Yeah.

[44:24] I still miss her terribly, and I still do, you know, find myself bawling at random moments.
A song will come on, it’s a Billy Joel song, or like, you know, I’ll smell, I walked through the duty-free the other day and I walked by the Clinique counter, just the sight of the Clinique counter, and I weep for this woman.
The sadness is still there, but it’s not all-consuming. It’s an honoring.
And the choice that I make to honor her whenever I am reminded and my whole body is moved, that’s where I go with it.
And it seems to be a good way, going back to the beginning of conserving our energy and honoring ourselves and not getting lost in the grief, but in fact, making it into a really beautiful container, for some other creative energy.

[45:21] Music.

[45:27] I’m aware of the time and if you need to. You can do one more question.
Yeah, I wanted to, there’s one more question but there’s also kind of end of bio, which I’ll put that out there and see if there’s anything else that wants to be said.
Cool.
End of bio closing is that if you want to hear more from Elena, she has a Practice You podcast And the tagline, together we’ll elevate humanity to spark, share and sustain wellbeing.
And I found that she uses this platform not only to share the voices of well-known humans, but also to turn up the volume for the voices that the world ought to know.
Elena is a mentor, helping others find steadiness, space, creativity, and encouraging healthy, high-valued ecosystems.
Elena is a giver. She works to elevate bright futures for girls, women, and children through the support for girls on fire leaders, on the inside, and free food kitchen. When she was in Maine for just a few days, she helped raise awareness and funds for Sea Change Yoga, a a non-profit serving those with less access to yoga and mindfulness classes.

[46:55] Thank you so much for being here. I really, it’s such an honor. I tell you, your thoughtfulness, the care with which you’ve crafted all of your questions, this idea to go through somebody’s bio and kind of tease it out and pull it apart is so good, so solid, thank you for it.
And thank you for your friendship all of these years, You know, I, I feel very connected to you in ways that aren’t explicable.
And I really appreciate that.
I’m so glad. I mean, I’m so glad you bring up friendship. I was so aware of the time too.
And for anyone listening, if you want to hear more about the possibility of.

[47:38] Music.

[47:48] And I just said that wrong, didn’t I? No, it’s perfect. It’s softening time.
You’re perfect. Oh, book. At the back of the book. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I was saying, I was gonna say the second half of the book, but if you consider your relationship with your mother or yourself as part of relational healing, and possibility of what can become, then it’s the entirety of the book.
And if you’re looking more towards the platonic relationships or the love relationships with a partner, that second half really speaks to what’s possible in the way that we might feel it and see it.
And you said something, there was some beautiful line.
Let’s see if I can find it. Maybe I can even find it on this line.
Are you willing to disagree harmoniously?

[48:41] And I got to see you again in Maine sitting at a table with dear friends of yours.
I got to see you so deeply in love with this woman and the man who I was sitting next to who shared his story so generously with me had a life path that seemed at the time quite different than yours and I loved the way that you could love all of you without needing to feel the exact same way about everything.
And I think that is something that so many of us could lean into and find such richness in.

[49:26] Yeah, I think that’s one of the most important practices we’ve got right now is to make sure that we are constantly asking ourselves to just be in dialogue, be in consideration, be in conversation with people with whom we don’t agree. Watch things with which you don’t agree, listen to things with which you don’t agree. We need to know what everyone is doing and saying so that we can start to soften the boundaries a little bit, soften the edges.
Is, yes, you feel this way, I got it, there are other people that feel this other way, get that, and let go a little bit of the chronic tension in your body around what you think is right and how everyone else is wrong.
I’ve had to do it time and time again, and I think it’s one of the most important things that we can do for for ourselves and for each other consequently.

[50:21] Yeah. Thank you for sharing yourself so generously. Thank you for having me, dear sister. Thank you.

[50:28] Music.

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